> > I'd like to see more competition to SC to be honest
> >
> > I support another competitor
>
> why not attack kiwi then?
>
> you'll lose yourself again if you have another rival, especially if that rival is better than you are at this stuff.
>
> > In fact it's not just SC.. like anyone can use the BZ software to create their own alternative-- which they could enable the senate feature on, and in theory run their own community. The fact is though that none of you are capable enough to run your own board.... best case is you end up like koloss with a chat room full of randoms
> >
> > Prove me wrong!
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> they're doing fine on discord now that the ones rushing to power are either gone or learned from their mistakes.
>
> more than what could be said about you. unlike you they've matured. if you could do even half of what they did this site wouldn't be such a shit hole now.
>
> but no, years have shown you will never get better, you're too far gone.
>
> also that's still having it within your software, meaning you still have power over their posting. you in the end could remove them at the flick of a mouse click, and you would, because you cannot help yourself. at least if we do it on another website not only is it more functional, but you in no capacity can take it down. you're forced to see it, just like kiwi did to you, cumslut.
>
> i post here to show you that you can't stop me, that every repost gets my content bumped back to the top as if it were the first time, and that even with my posts gone people will still talk about them. deleting what i have to say is what makes people pay attention to it, and removing power from senate people you don't like furthers that.
>
> you're making yourself look really bad, to all of us, even those who somehow still excuse you this far along for their own reasons.
>
> > Even the complaining that goes on here is fun for you guys. You love that a Luna even exists that you can blame for SC's problems.
>
> even this many years later you can't take blame?
>
> what do you even think is your fault at this point? its been years of this.
>
> > Like Xadem lives on SC.. he puts his entire life into this place, and he spends the majority of that time comlianing... he has no REAL investment in SC...
>
> he cares about this place more than you do, his complaints are warranted and related to the functionality of this website. if you listened to him this website would have a working senate and less people would have left, plus they'd be directing their energy towards each other instead of at the one person with actual visible power.
>
> he should be in charge not you. he is level headed and in his short time here understands the place more than you ever will.
>
> remember when you made TK mod how people left you alone? that isn't working now because you are overreaching harder and more often now, your mods won't take your flak for you, and electing new mods won't change that as long as they are just "volunteer mods" with no perception of power or actual respect.
>
> the reason why the senate isn't causing the distraction we've been expecting is because it has no actual power over the website. the fighting can't be redirected towards them, or even your mods anymore, if you are seen as the only person who can enact any changes.
>
> you need to let go of needing to have so much power and respect if you want to gain any power and respect in the first place. the more you grasp at it, the more it'll slip from your hands.
>
> pissing you off is the only entertaining thing left to do here, and seeing what lengths you'll go to do it does more damage on the site than any troll could ever hope to do.
>
> > he just has time in because he's bored, and this is the most interesting place he can find.... his complaining his just part of his fun-- which is trolling.
>
> he only trolls to prove points, to show you for your lies. if you weren't so weak and unhumble he'd have nothing to work with.
>
> > So.... should i care about trolls like TPG or Xadem?
>
> so who are the trolls now? TPG, Xadem, Jim, Billy, Vultus, Tryp...
>
> who's even in camp 4 at this point?
>
> > Should I allow them to earn high amounts of rep and be influencial?
>
> yes. if it's a bad decision, not in advance, but after the fact, they'll vote in what would fix the problem. they need the room to make mistakes in order to correct themselves, and if it goes too far you can fix it AFTER everything has gone wrong...
>
> you know, like your brother does about you.
>
> without him this website would be dead. why not give it to him at this point?
>
> > Or should I remove their rep so that eventually when the senate does get going, the troll losers are not in a position of power?
>
> like it or not, those troll losers made it to power. even with a fixed reputation system they would be the people being voted in from there being so few people left who give any form of a shit here.
>
> you need to accept that this group likes what they have to say more than what you have to say. the sooner you swallow that pill the sooner you'll have a working forum that is maintained by the people who actually care to sign into this piece of crap every day.
>
> the voice of the community is a trolling one and has been since sc1. all thats changed is its display based on who's left and what there is to screw with. the motivations for and how you've let yourself be stuck with a group of people that constantly trigger you for this many years is a mystery, and if you want anything professional to be made in your future you're going to have to drop this website and start from something a little more... professional in tone. let someone here have it that actually cares about the place, it doesn't have to be a reflection of your lack of success and a poor mark on your reputation anymore.
>
> when you leave, people forget about you. let someone with more sympathy and understanding of trolls be in charge or else you'll just keep being their victim. let someone else take the hits for a while, you can't. if you stay here the trolling against you will extend to more than just here in ways you can't ban or delete.
>
> > From the perspective of freedom an anarchy.. it is wrong for someone like me with more power to manipulate the system to pick favorites.. or at least pick losers, but from the perspective of ensuring reputaiton stays with those who deserve it, I think it's a good call.
>
> why don't the people who participate the most on this website deserve to have the most reputation?
>
> you might as well just hand out gold stars to your favorites if you can't allow people you don't like to have power. what could xadem and tpg in senate really do to destroy your website?
>
> nothing you couldn't reverse after everyone else sees why it's a bad idea. not even giving their ideas a chance is why you are being targeted, as you are the not only the only one with any real power here, but you also follow bad advice with that power when pushed by people like billy and dex.
>
> That is why I think it should likely be a board feature for all board creators-- to remove rep of users who are not acting in ways that are in alignment with a board's values....
>
> reps shared on all boards.
>
> could they remove your rep?
>
> if someone in power can remove reputation that defeats the entire purpose of it. you might as well just elect officials instead of pretending that it's anything democratic.
>
> just pick favorites so that you can stop lying to us. transparency says it much more humbly than your lies we will see through in time.
>
> > board creators should maintain the power to shape the direction of the senate should they choose... maybe in that way it should not be called a senate, but rather a parliament, only turning into a senate after a board creator has stepped down completely.
>
> **"P.S.S. The fact that users are aloud to divert the topic in this thread and be open about it is a good sign that moderators are not over-zealously looking to exercise their power-- which I admire. It's important that monitors know their place as lowly janitors, and not as corrupt-cops looking to get a "kill". I hope all threads are like this. This is how it is on my forum too. The rule of "staying on topic" is useful in academic realms, but not social ones. In those, freedom of expression and relationship-building should be the end goal, rather than content-generation."**
>
> which is it?
lel yd u delet ths post loona???
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> > *shui2:*
> > I think it's funny that I am to be blamed for "driving off" users.
>
> who did then?
>
> > On one hand you want me to be down to earth, friendly, a part of the group... to understand you guys and to give you attention... but on the other you want me to be completely professional and without any flaws or personality... similar to what you'd expect from a corporation.
>
> split your focus then, treat it like two different people.
>
> it shouldn't be hard to keep your feelings and your responsibilities separated
>
> years later though shows you can't
>
> > None of you have very good expectations of what you expect from me.. you all think that I am a professional capitalist trying to run this place like a corporation which is just wrong.
>
> you're running it like an ego clique not a company.
>
> companies can face shames you can't even imagine.
>
> > I don't intend to make money, and I don't think SC will ever become a massive popular thing.. I don't think any of the members here are very smart or special, and I assume they will post here the rest of their lives because they have nothing better to do, and this is the only place they wont be banned.
>
> its not. if anything this place is only great now for how we can be banned over seemingly nothing and how you being held accountable for it has michael fix the problems for you.
>
> > What I'm saying is that I have lost my fondness for most SC members long ago, and though there are a few here who I enjoy talking to, they are mature and have lives of their own. The users on here most often are usually those with the saddest lives, and who have nothing better to do than to try and create drama.
>
> why not start over then like you tried to do with anonymous community?
>
> oh right because people don't like you enough to join it.
>
> you're either stuck with us or nobody like the family you never wanted
>
> > So basically I am not as keen these days to please the loudest and most vocal users on SC, or to engage them even because they have no power.
>
> just yourself?
>
> > They are just loud, but it doesn't matter.
>
> they're loud and they're correct, not just loud. you're just mad that their ideas oppose your ideas, but they'd have to to be good ideas at all.
>
> > In fact, those same members who claim that I ruined SC, are the ones who have ruined it because they have made it no fun for me
>
> this is the most honest statement you have made this entire time.
>
> > and because I refuse to ban even those who make my life miserable
>
> you do ban them though.
>
> michael unbans them for you.
>
> you can't even face it yourself you're so pathetic over it
>
> > I simply choose to associate less with the community as a whole.
>
> no, they didn't take your shit and you're mad about it, and instead of leaving the forum for the 8th time you're trying to wrestle control over it.
>
> > Anyway what matters is that the software continuous to be improved upon even if at a glacial pace. But please do remember that none of you matter to me, nor does your money or your admiration! I look down on most of you.. you guys are nothing like me!
>
> you used to want donations.
>
> do you only hate our money now because it's not your money?
>
> thank goodness we're not like you, you wouldn't even like yourself.
ths 2.
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> > *tryptamine:*
> > you don't have to handle it well, and this is how the community treats each other really.
>
> she doesn't want to belong
>
> she wants to feel in charge
>
> she wants to feel worshiped
>
> she never wanted to be one of us
>
> she never will be one of us
>
> she can't take the things we SC regulars deal with every day
>
> she wants special privileges
>
> she got them
>
> > *luna prey:*
> > In fact, those same members who claim that I ruined SC, are the ones who have ruined it because they have made it no fun for me
>
> > I look down on most of you.. you guys are nothing like me!
giv up loona
we no u betr thn u no urself
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